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Post by Bymaria on Aug 13, 2017 20:07:48 GMT
If nobody has any objections, I would like to appoint Lady Cari as Constitutional Minister and in charge of leading the process of formulating our initial governing documents. Once we have a constitution, I think we should allow the legislature to begin the process of writing laws. Excellent. I have no objections and I'm sure Lady Cari will be great.
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Post by unionofseavia on Aug 13, 2017 20:30:39 GMT
This is an amazing idea and the only thing I can really say against it is that I don't particularly like the British titles{I do believe those are British} and it'd be cool if there were two or three titles of the same level. Edit: today i learned that this forum deletes square brackets and atemps to make whatever of them it can. I agree. I'm Brittish and hate the political/ electoral system, specifically the House of Lords. I think the upper house should be called the senate or something *anything* other than the House of Lords. 😂 I believe the house of lords befits the monarch theme we are going for
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Post by germanempire on Aug 13, 2017 20:33:54 GMT
I question , has my sugguestion been completly ruled out?
-> 2 Houses upper and under . -> under house elects 1/2 of the upper house as citizens ->current prime Minister chooses the other half of the upper house and those get feudal titles
(That is to counter the government if they Act against the People and keep things even (everybody is involved to a certain point ))
Prime Minister could either be chosen by
1. The monarch 2. Election from every one
Thoughts ?
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 13, 2017 21:16:15 GMT
I question , has my sugguestion been completly ruled out? -> 2 Houses upper and under . -> under house elects 1/2 of the upper house as citizens ->current prime Minister chooses the other half of the upper house and those get feudal titles (That is to counter the government if they Act against the People and keep things even (everybody is involved to a certain point )) Prime Minister could either be chosen by 1. The monarch 2. Election from every one Thoughts ? I don't think it's a bad idea, I just worry that it is a little complicated to have a house selected in two different ways. It does seem like we have a little disagreement in terms of how to select the two houses. We've been operating under the assumption that the lower house should be open to all citizens (like an assembly) but alternatively, we could do an elected lower house and an appointed (with feudal titles) upper house. Not saying we have to, but it's another option.
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Post by United Barbaros on Aug 13, 2017 22:22:07 GMT
We could separate the region into provinces, and then each province will have a certain number of feudal titles (x number of knights, y number of barons, etc). Each province can have just one representative, or we can figure out a way to represent growing provinces as our region expands. Provinces could be determined by leading industry, geographic location, both, and/or other.
I can't say I know the most about politics, which is partly why I joined NS.
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Post by germanempire on Aug 13, 2017 22:41:10 GMT
I question , has my sugguestion been completly ruled out? -> 2 Houses upper and under . -> under house elects 1/2 of the upper house as citizens ->current prime Minister chooses the other half of the upper house and those get feudal titles (That is to counter the government if they Act against the People and keep things even (everybody is involved to a certain point )) Prime Minister could either be chosen by 1. The monarch 2. Election from every one Thoughts ? I don't think it's a bad idea, I just worry that it is a little complicated to have a house selected in two different ways. It does seem like we have a little disagreement in terms of how to select the two houses. We've been operating under the assumption that the lower house should be open to all citizens (like an assembly) but alternatively, we could do an elected lower house and an appointed (with feudal titles) upper house. Not saying we have to, but it's another option. In my case there would be an assembly in the lower house for the "ordinary"and they would vote on representatives ... its doesnt get to complicated like the other variants.
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 14, 2017 17:05:49 GMT
If nobody has any objections, I would like to appoint Lady Cari as Constitutional Minister and in charge of leading the process of formulating our initial governing documents. Once we have a constitution, I think we should allow the legislature to begin the process of writing laws. I accept my appointment. Before I get started on the text, though, I'm going to need some definite consensus on the main points. Here's what I have so far, derived from discussion here (with some positions taken from the interim government); please post whether or not you agree. (If you disagree, be specific and offer an alternative.) Branch | Position
| Details
| Executive | Monarch | Can dismiss government, declare war, call special elections. Can ban nations and otherwise uphold regional security. Holds position for life, appoints successor if necessary. Can grant honorary feudal titles to member nations based on contribution to region. Appoints Lord Chancellor of the Judiciary.
| Executive
| Prime Minister
| Elected by popular vote for a four-month term; can serve infinite terms but only two consecutively. Appoints a Cabinet, including but not limited to Minsters of Population (recruitment), Development (internal affairs), and Security (border control), as well as a Chief Diplomat. Appoints new justices to the Judiciary as needed. Can veto upper house legislation.
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| Legislature
| Upper House
| Elected by popular vote for a four-month term; can serve infinite terms but only two consecutively. Creates all legislation for the Assembly of All, with input from the Assembly and from the Executive. Legislation must pass by a 2/3 majority. May dismiss a government official by a 2/3 majority vote. Confirms judicial appointments by a simple majority. [Feedback needed] ___ number of initial seats; extra seats can be added as deemed necessary by the Executive.
| Legislature | Assembly of All
| Comprised of all regional residents not holding other government positions. Ultimately decides all regional legislation. May call for a referendum on a law, action, or issue. Players may vote with only one nation, and cannot vote on elections or legislation during which they may have joined the region.
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| Judiciary | Judiciary | Led by Monarch-appointed Lord Chancellor. Appointed for life of nation (unless recalled). Initial number of Justices to be determined by Prime Minister; seats can be added/removed as necessary. Reviews legality of all legislation, executive actions, and appointments.
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Post by United Barbaros on Aug 14, 2017 18:02:31 GMT
Maybe we can have a member of the Upper House representing a set number of nations, like 1 member of the Upper House for every 8 nations. Something along that line.
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 14, 2017 18:11:28 GMT
I considered a 1 for every 10 nations rule, but since we can't really track puppets, I figured it might get messy. (At one point I had upwards of 50 puppets, though they were by no means all in the same region.) We'll see what others have to say.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 14, 2017 18:43:02 GMT
I considered a 1 for every 10 nations rule, but since we can't really track puppets, I figured it might get messy. (At one point I had upwards of 50 puppets, though they were by no means all in the same region.) We'll see what others have to say. I agree with this. I think we are better off reviewing he number of seats as needed. I think starting with 3-5 members would be good. I'm also in favor of lowering PM terms to 2-3 months. I feel like as we start out, more elections could be good to make sure everyone feels they have a shot at getting into government. Otherwise this looks like a great start.
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Post by Inoyama on Aug 14, 2017 18:47:17 GMT
Having members of the Upper House represent a number of member nations is a cool idea. One that would be made easier with a map, since we'd be able to carve up territories.
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 14, 2017 19:06:50 GMT
I considered a 1 for every 10 nations rule, but since we can't really track puppets, I figured it might get messy. (At one point I had upwards of 50 puppets, though they were by no means all in the same region.) We'll see what others have to say. I agree with this. I think we are better off reviewing he number of seats as needed. I think starting with 3-5 members would be good. I'm also in favor of lowering PM terms to 2-3 months. I feel like as we start out, more elections could be good to make sure everyone feels they have a shot at getting into government. Otherwise this looks like a great start. 3-4 nations was my plan as well. I think 2 months is a little too short of terms. We wouldn't get too much done before we had to turn around and elect a new government. 3 is okay though.
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Post by germanempire on Aug 14, 2017 19:52:47 GMT
I agree with LC , that kind of government as proposed could work
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Post by unionofseavia on Aug 18, 2017 15:12:45 GMT
If nobody has any objections, I would like to appoint Lady Cari as Constitutional Minister and in charge of leading the process of formulating our initial governing documents. Once we have a constitution, I think we should allow the legislature to begin the process of writing laws. I accept my appointment. Before I get started on the text, though, I'm going to need some definite consensus on the main points. Here's what I have so far, derived from discussion here (with some positions taken from the interim government); please post whether or not you agree. (If you disagree, be specific and offer an alternative.) Branch | Position
| Details
| Executive | Monarch | Can dismiss government, declare war, call special elections. Can ban nations and otherwise uphold regional security. Holds position for life, appoints successor if necessary. Can grant honorary feudal titles to member nations based on contribution to region. Appoints Lord Chancellor of the Judiciary.
| Executive
| Prime Minister
| Elected by popular vote for a four-month term; can serve infinite terms but only two consecutively. Appoints a Cabinet, including but not limited to Minsters of Population (recruitment), Development (internal affairs), and Security (border control), as well as a Chief Diplomat. Appoints new justices to the Judiciary as needed. Can veto upper house legislation.
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| Legislature
| Upper House
| Elected by popular vote for a four-month term; can serve infinite terms but only two consecutively. Creates all legislation for the Assembly of All, with input from the Assembly and from the Executive. Legislation must pass by a 2/3 majority. May dismiss a government official by a 2/3 majority vote. Confirms judicial appointments by a simple majority. [Feedback needed] ___ number of initial seats; extra seats can be added as deemed necessary by the Executive.
| Legislature | Assembly of All
| Comprised of all regional residents not holding other government positions. Ultimately decides all regional legislation. May call for a referendum on a law, action, or issue. Players may vote with only one nation, and cannot vote on elections or legislation during which they may have joined the region.
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| Judiciary | Judiciary | Led by Monarch-appointed Lord Chancellor. Appointed for life of nation (unless recalled). Initial number of Justices to be determined by Prime Minister; seats can be added/removed as necessary. Reviews legality of all legislation, executive actions, and appointments.
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Excellent idea I think this layout is great, But yes maybe the PM should only serve 2-3 months for more chances at government.
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Post by calfupan on Aug 18, 2017 17:01:53 GMT
I also agree, good LC. Good government proposal.
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