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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 12, 2017 14:43:21 GMT
We're also going to need to entrust at least some regional officers with Border Control. I suggest that at least one RO besides the founder be an appointed Minister with BC authority. This can be a new position or an addition to an existing one.
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Post by calfupan on Aug 12, 2017 16:28:48 GMT
I agree with Lady C.to have the upper house meeting on the forum, and the lower can vote gameside in polls. About the political parties or coalitions, we could wait to see how it's going to evolve ones we have the upper and lower house establish. I also think we need a map.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 12, 2017 17:21:25 GMT
A few people have brought up the map and I definitely agree that we need one. One of our members, anthodem, has volunteered to create one but is on vacation until Monday. I would like to give him a shot once he gets back, but if it starts taking a little too long we can explore other options.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 12, 2017 20:44:38 GMT
Alrighty, based on this thread, I've created a proposed framework for government. This won't be the actual Constitution (which will require more flowery / formal language) but it's the general idea: Executive:Monarch- Has power to declare war
- Has power to defend regional borders (eject members)
- Has power to dismiss government and call elections
Government- Led by an elected Prime Minister (I'm thinking just popular vote, but if anyone here would like to try another method like proportional representation I'm all ears)
- Prime Minister has power to appoint Cabinet and run the day-to-day affairs of region
- Has power to veto legislation
Legislative:Upper House: Name to be determined- Where all legislation will originate
- May remove government official with 2/3rds vote
- Confirms judicial appointments
Lower House: Assembly of All- Votes on all upper house legislation
- Can call for a regional referendum on an issue or law
Judicial:- Led by a Lord Chancellor who is appointed by the Prime Minister
- Also comprised of a variable number of Associate Justices appointed by the Monarch
- The court oversees trials and reviews the legality of laws
Thoughts??
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 12, 2017 20:45:59 GMT
We're also going to need to entrust at least some regional officers with Border Control. I suggest that at least one RO besides the founder be an appointed Minister with BC authority. This can be a new position or an addition to an existing one. Ugh @ me for triple posting, but I agree. With things kinda turbulent right now, I'm feeling things out, but hopefully within a week we can have that power delegated to someone.
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 12, 2017 21:02:10 GMT
Alrighty, based on this thread, I've created a proposed framework for government. This won't be the actual Constitution (which will require more flowery / formal language) but it's the general idea: Executive:Monarch- Has power to declare war
- Has power to defend regional borders (eject members)
- Has power to dismiss government and call elections
Government- Led by an elected Prime Minister (I'm thinking just popular vote, but if anyone here would like to try another method like proportional representation I'm all ears)
- Prime Minister has power to appoint Cabinet and run the day-to-day affairs of region
- Has power to veto legislation
Legislative:Upper House: Name to be determined- Where all legislation will originate
- May remove government official with 2/3rds vote
- Confirms judicial appointments
Lower House: Assembly of All- Votes on all upper house legislation
- Can call for a regional referendum on an issue or law
Judicial:- Led by a Lord Chancellor who is appointed by the Prime Minister
- Also comprised of a variable number of Associate Justices appointed by the Monarch
- The court oversees trials and reviews the legality of laws
Thoughts?? Looks pretty good. (Please no proportional representation though. xD) I would like to point out that since the Monarch is technically higher in authority than the PM, it doesn't make too much sense for the PM to appoint the person to lead Monarch-appointed officials. So I would suggest making the Lord Chancellor Monarch-appointed, the associate justices PM-appointed, or both. We'll need to flesh out some guidelines for the Cabinet, whom I assume will be the gameside regional officers. It makes the most sense as far as offsite/onsite translation. It would probably be advisable to go ahead and set terms and term limits (if any) for the upper house in the constitution. As far as naming the upper house, I am not the person to give suggestions. =P Once we settle on the system, I'll gladly draft a full constitution for y'all, if you'd like, and we'll make a new drafting thread for it.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 12, 2017 21:28:03 GMT
Alrighty, based on this thread, I've created a proposed framework for government. This won't be the actual Constitution (which will require more flowery / formal language) but it's the general idea: Executive:Monarch- Has power to declare war
- Has power to defend regional borders (eject members)
- Has power to dismiss government and call elections
Government- Led by an elected Prime Minister (I'm thinking just popular vote, but if anyone here would like to try another method like proportional representation I'm all ears)
- Prime Minister has power to appoint Cabinet and run the day-to-day affairs of region
- Has power to veto legislation
Legislative:Upper House: Name to be determined- Where all legislation will originate
- May remove government official with 2/3rds vote
- Confirms judicial appointments
Lower House: Assembly of All- Votes on all upper house legislation
- Can call for a regional referendum on an issue or law
Judicial:- Led by a Lord Chancellor who is appointed by the Prime Minister
- Also comprised of a variable number of Associate Justices appointed by the Monarch
- The court oversees trials and reviews the legality of laws
Thoughts?? Looks pretty good. (Please no proportional representation though. xD) I would like to point out that since the Monarch is technically higher in authority than the PM, it doesn't make too much sense for the PM to appoint the person to lead Monarch-appointed officials. So I would suggest making the Lord Chancellor Monarch-appointed, the associate justices PM-appointed, or both. We'll need to flesh out some guidelines for the Cabinet, whom I assume will be the gameside regional officers. It makes the most sense as far as offsite/onsite translation. It would probably be advisable to go ahead and set terms and term limits (if any) for the upper house in the constitution. As far as naming the upper house, I am not the person to give suggestions. =P Once we settle on the system, I'll gladly draft a full constitution for y'all, if you'd like, and we'll make a new drafting thread for it. Right. In terms of Cabinet I am torn between (1) making the positions explicit in the constitution and (2) letting each PM decide for themselves what they want their Cabinet to look like. Regarding the courts, I think I want more opinions here. I kinda divided up appointments between PM and Monarch as a "check" but I agree that it doesn't make a ton of sense. Also, I foolishly didn't mention how the upper house would be selected. I'm leaning toward popular vote election, (i.e. every citizen casts one vote for each seat to a slate of candidates) but if there are other thoughts, please share!!
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Post by germanempire on Aug 12, 2017 21:42:32 GMT
I wanted to bring to attention that , as stated earlyer, we are a monarchy . So when there id a monarchy, we would 'need'royals or dutches or whatever to give some RP meaning to the whole monarchy thing ( otherwise we could have a dictator ) . So my point is , would certain Titels grant more /less Power to that Person ? Could we make it Like that the pm or the Person in charge beneath the emperor could give titles and thus executive Power to his trusted or the monarch names trustworthy and the build the upper house ?
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 12, 2017 21:46:41 GMT
[Edit: This reply in response to Fortwhile.] That second option is something I hadn't thought of, and it could work. If we do that, however, I'd recommend a minimum six-month term for stability/sanity's sake.
My idea for the justices was to have both the Monarch and PM involved; I just thought it made more sense to switch who appoints whom. I phrased it poorly so that it seemed I was placing more emphasis on one or the other having full control.
I was under the impression that the upper house would be elected by the Assembly of All.
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 12, 2017 21:50:13 GMT
I wanted to bring to attention that , as stated earlyer, we are a monarchy . So when there id a monarchy, we would 'need'royals or dutches or whatever to give some RP meaning to the whole monarchy thing ( otherwise we could have a dictator ) . So my point is , would certain Titels grant more /less Power to that Person ? Could we make it Like that the pm or the Person in charge beneath the emperor could give titles and thus executive Power to his trusted or the monarch names trustworthy and the build the upper house ? You mean like having the upper house comprised of citizens with feudal titles, like a House of Lords? Not what I had in mind, but it's an intriguing idea that I could support.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 12, 2017 22:43:59 GMT
I wanted to bring to attention that , as stated earlyer, we are a monarchy . So when there id a monarchy, we would 'need'royals or dutches or whatever to give some RP meaning to the whole monarchy thing ( otherwise we could have a dictator ) . So my point is , would certain Titels grant more /less Power to that Person ? Could we make it Like that the pm or the Person in charge beneath the emperor could give titles and thus executive Power to his trusted or the monarch names trustworthy and the build the upper house ? You mean like having the upper house comprised of citizens with feudal titles, like a House of Lords? Not what I had in mind, but it's an intriguing idea that I could support. We could do that either as an elected body was feudal titles for theme, or make it an appointed body? I think I'd prefer to keep the house elected and just thematically-aligned it with a feudal theme, personally. Any other thoughts?
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Post by germanempire on Aug 12, 2017 22:45:15 GMT
I wanted to bring to attention that , as stated earlyer, we are a monarchy . So when there id a monarchy, we would 'need'royals or dutches or whatever to give some RP meaning to the whole monarchy thing ( otherwise we could have a dictator ) . So my point is , would certain Titels grant more /less Power to that Person ? Could we make it Like that the pm or the Person in charge beneath the emperor could give titles and thus executive Power to his trusted or the monarch names trustworthy and the build the upper house ? You mean like having the upper house comprised of citizens with feudal titles, like a House of Lords? Not what I had in mind, but it's an intriguing idea that I could support. Yeah something Like that ... maybe (to bring in the party System again )have the royalty on the on side and the opposition /non royals on the other (wich have been voted on by the lower house ) so that there could be a Balance between keeping the Power either by the "citizens " or the emperor /royalty .
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 12, 2017 23:54:31 GMT
I'm also in favor of keeping the upper house elected, but granting nominal titles to members of this house. Then it could be the "Assembly of Lords" or something. We can also give feudal titles to the ministers.
Separating the "nobility" from the "commoners" as political parties really would not work much at all.
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Post by unionofseavia on Aug 13, 2017 3:28:40 GMT
These are fantastic ideas, but as I stated early on I think we should always focus on the "all voices heard" but these are some very solid ideas indeed.
and a house of Lords would work well I think, has a better ring to it, but of course getting the balance of monarchy and democracy right. But me being on of those guys really into titles, and Duchies and Earldoms, i think a noble system would be in place even knighthoods, But of course rather than just granting them to anyone they should be earned through merit and hard work, within the government and the community. The monarch can decide what title to bestow upon members depending on their respective work
Grand Duke Duke Marquess Earl Viscount Baron Knight For anyone who knows anything about titles I left out baronet because its essentially just a hereditary knighthood and no one dies in the span of this nation (I hope) So thats my ideas as you can see I have a passion for titles and peerage, so just read e'm over and give me some feedback
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Post by Yawin-Tsevlino on Aug 13, 2017 3:50:30 GMT
These are fantastic ideas, but as I stated early on I think we should always focus on the "all voices heard" but these are some very solid ideas indeed. and a house of Lords would work well I think, has a better ring to it, but of course getting the balance of monarchy and democracy right. But me being on of those guys really into titles, and Duchies and Earldoms, i think a noble system would be in place even knighthoods, But of course rather than just granting them to anyone they should be earned through merit and hard work, within the government and the community. The monarch can decide what title to bestow upon members depending on their respective work Grand Duke Duke Marquess Earl Viscount Baron Knight For anyone who knows anything about titles I left out baronet because its essentially just a hereditary knighthood and no one dies in the span of this nation (I hope) So thats my ideas as you can see I have a passion for titles and peerage, so just read e'm over and give me some feedback This is an amazing idea and the only thing I can really say against it is that I don't particularly like the British titles{I do believe those are British} and it'd be cool if there were two or three titles of the same level. Edit: today i learned that this forum deletes square brackets and atemps to make whatever of them it can.
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