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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 10, 2017 13:13:34 GMT
Don't know how difficult this is, but we could also establish political parties for both houses. That could definitely be fun down the road!! I like the idea of us having a vibrant, active democracy.
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Post by Calfupan on Aug 10, 2017 15:44:44 GMT
I agree to the idea of having political parties. It could be very interesting.
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Post by germanempire on Aug 10, 2017 18:52:01 GMT
Arent we a monarchy?
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 10, 2017 20:01:57 GMT
Yes, but we are borrow and steal from other systems of government as we want! We can be unique!!
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 11, 2017 15:58:47 GMT
I am going to throw a conglomeration of ideas out here for y'all.
We retain a Monarch who is the permanent figurehead and executive of the government, and they can appoint a Prime Minister and some other cabinet ministers, if desired.
Then we can have a two-house legislative system, where the "lower" house consists of all citizens. This house will decide large-scale regional matters and laws. The upper house will be small and elected by the lower house, and will draft laws for the lower house to vote on, as well as handle the nitty-gritty details of administration. A Speaker of the House can present the lower house's legal ideas and concerns to the upper house.
We will need a court system, with a minimum of (I would say) three justices. These can participate in the upper and lower legislative houses, but not the Cabinet, and will determine legality of laws, as well as handle formal trials and appeals. (Consulting them before the banjection of spammers, or other such simple exertions of administrative power, is unneccesary.) These will serve indefinite terms (until they resign, CTE, or are recalled). Whether they should be appointed by the Executive or either house of the legislature, I leave up for discussion.
Political parties can be fun, if handled properly, and I'm all for them. I mean, I play NS, I love politics.
I think I may have taken this too seriously, but tell me what y'all think.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 11, 2017 17:15:23 GMT
I am going to throw a conglomeration of ideas out here for y'all. We retain a Monarch who is the permanent figurehead and executive of the government, and they can appoint a Prime Minister and some other cabinet ministers, if desired. Then we can have a two-house legislative system, where the "lower" house consists of all citizens. This house will decide large-scale regional matters and laws. The upper house will be small and elected by the lower house, and will draft laws for the lower house to vote on, as well as handle the nitty-gritty details of administration. A Speaker of the House can present the lower house's legal ideas and concerns to the upper house. We will need a court system, with a minimum of (I would say) three justices. These can participate in the upper and lower legislative houses, but not the Cabinet, and will determine legality of laws, as well as handle formal trials and appeals. (Consulting them before the banjection of spammers, or other such simple exertions of administrative power, is unneccesary.) These will serve indefinite terms (until they resign, CTE, or are recalled). Whether they should be appointed by the Executive or either house of the legislature, I leave up for discussion. Political parties can be fun, if handled properly, and I'm all for them. I mean, I play NS, I love politics. I think I may have taken this too seriously, but tell me what y'all think. These are some solid ideas!! Anyone have any thoughts here??
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Post by calfupan on Aug 11, 2017 21:20:06 GMT
I am going to throw a conglomeration of ideas out here for y'all. We retain a Monarch who is the permanent figurehead and executive of the government, and they can appoint a Prime Minister and some other cabinet ministers, if desired. Then we can have a two-house legislative system, where the "lower" house consists of all citizens. This house will decide large-scale regional matters and laws. The upper house will be small and elected by the lower house, and will draft laws for the lower house to vote on, as well as handle the nitty-gritty details of administration. A Speaker of the House can present the lower house's legal ideas and concerns to the upper house. We will need a court system, with a minimum of (I would say) three justices. These can participate in the upper and lower legislative houses, but not the Cabinet, and will determine legality of laws, as well as handle formal trials and appeals. (Consulting them before the banjection of spammers, or other such simple exertions of administrative power, is unneccesary.) These will serve indefinite terms (until they resign, CTE, or are recalled). Whether they should be appointed by the Executive or either house of the legislature, I leave up for discussion. Political parties can be fun, if handled properly, and I'm all for them. I mean, I play NS, I love politics. I think I may have taken this too seriously, but tell me what y'all think. These are some solid ideas!! Anyone have any thoughts here?? I think it sounds like a good constitutional monarchy. About the political parties. I think if we are going to have a bicameral system then we probably going to have some kind of allience between members.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 11, 2017 21:53:08 GMT
Right. If we have two houses, I'm leaning toward one being an Assembly of all citizens like Lady Cari suggested. Even once we get a little bigger, I want all nations to feel like they still have a say!
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Post by Bymaria on Aug 11, 2017 22:14:32 GMT
I am going to throw a conglomeration of ideas out here for y'all. We retain a Monarch who is the permanent figurehead and executive of the government, and they can appoint a Prime Minister and some other cabinet ministers, if desired. Then we can have a two-house legislative system, where the "lower" house consists of all citizens. This house will decide large-scale regional matters and laws. The upper house will be small and elected by the lower house, and will draft laws for the lower house to vote on, as well as handle the nitty-gritty details of administration. A Speaker of the House can present the lower house's legal ideas and concerns to the upper house. We will need a court system, with a minimum of (I would say) three justices. These can participate in the upper and lower legislative houses, but not the Cabinet, and will determine legality of laws, as well as handle formal trials and appeals. (Consulting them before the banjection of spammers, or other such simple exertions of administrative power, is unneccesary.) These will serve indefinite terms (until they resign, CTE, or are recalled). Whether they should be appointed by the Executive or either house of the legislature, I leave up for discussion. Political parties can be fun, if handled properly, and I'm all for them. I mean, I play NS, I love politics. I think I may have taken this too seriously, but tell me what y'all think. These are some solid ideas!! Anyone have any thoughts here?? Great ideas - we have discussed similar possibilities so it's good to see we're all on the same page! I think to establish an upper house, you create another region (making clear it is a part of Londinium) and have its only embassy with this region. This means it's members can have their own MB for debate and discussion. We will need one nation to found this "region" and act as speaker - probably a puppet account that should be specifically labelled speaker of the upper house of Londinium or something similar. How do you found regions? Would it be difficult to do this and is there a simpler way?
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 11, 2017 22:45:43 GMT
These are some solid ideas!! Anyone have any thoughts here?? Great ideas - we have discussed similar possibilities so it's good to see we're all on the same page! I think to establish an upper house, you create another region (making clear it is a part of Londinium) and have its only embassy with this region. This means it's members can have their own MB for debate and discussion. We will need one nation to found this "region" and act as speaker - probably a puppet account that should be specifically labelled speaker of the upper house of Londinium or something similar. How do you found regions? Would it be difficult to do this and is there a simpler way? The simple thing to do would be to have the upper house meet on the offsite forum. However, founding a region is no issue and is another viable option.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 11, 2017 22:58:14 GMT
Right. I feel like this needs to be a part of a bigger discussion talking about what business should be conducted on the game website, and what business should be conducted on the offsite forum. I feel like the forum is more practical, but it is an extra step for members.
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 11, 2017 23:04:07 GMT
Right. I feel like this needs to be a part of a bigger discussion talking about what business should be conducted on the game website, and what business should be conducted on the offsite forum. I feel like the forum is more practical, but it is an extra step for members. Gameside-only government really only works well on a small scale. However, I understand the unwillingness to add an extra step. My plan wass to have the upper house meet on the forums, but the lower house can vote gameside in polls. Having higher-up discussion forumside also allows for much better security, while the only way to keep any snoopers out gameside is through telegrams. And mass TG conversations are more trouble than they're worth.
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Post by Fortwhile on Aug 12, 2017 0:05:34 GMT
Right. I feel like this needs to be a part of a bigger discussion talking about what business should be conducted on the game website, and what business should be conducted on the offsite forum. I feel like the forum is more practical, but it is an extra step for members. Gameside-only government really only works well on a small scale. However, I understand the unwillingness to add an extra step. My plan wass to have the upper house meet on the forums, but the lower house can vote gameside in polls. Having higher-up discussion forumside also allows for much better security, while the only way to keep any snoopers out gameside is through telegrams. And mass TG conversations are more trouble than they're worth. I agree with all this. Let's see what others have to say though!!
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Post by germanempire on Aug 12, 2017 9:03:46 GMT
Right. I feel like this needs to be a part of a bigger discussion talking about what business should be conducted on the game website, and what business should be conducted on the offsite forum. I feel like the forum is more practical, but it is an extra step for members. Gameside-only government really only works well on a small scale. However, I understand the unwillingness to add an extra step. My plan wass to have the upper house meet on the forums, but the lower house can vote gameside in polls. Having higher-up discussion forumside also allows for much better security, while the only way to keep any snoopers out gameside is through telegrams. And mass TG conversations are more trouble than they're worth. I really Like those ideas but were come the parties into play ? Within the Houses ? Id say that the upper house has no Parties other then those formed for the current issue (everybody that Supports solution 'A' names a speaker that speaks for that part and everybody that Supports solution 'B' or 'C' (...) namens one themselfes and then there have to be coalitions an compromises
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Post by Lady Cari on Aug 12, 2017 13:14:09 GMT
Gameside-only government really only works well on a small scale. However, I understand the unwillingness to add an extra step. My plan wass to have the upper house meet on the forums, but the lower house can vote gameside in polls. Having higher-up discussion forumside also allows for much better security, while the only way to keep any snoopers out gameside is through telegrams. And mass TG conversations are more trouble than they're worth. I really Like those ideas but were come the parties into play ? Within the Houses ? Id say that the upper house has no Parties other then those formed for the current issue (everybody that Supports solution 'A' names a speaker that speaks for that part and everybody that Supports solution 'B' or 'C' (...) namens one themselfes and then there have to be coalitions an compromises The naming a speaker for a platform sounds good; but I would hesitate to consider those "parties". Political parties, if allowed, will be universal in the government (either in name or in fact) whether we want them to be or not. Whether we devolve into the present American partisan state will depend on the participants. Usually parties aren't used on NationStates, or rather are not formalized.
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