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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 14:55:15 GMT
How would MP's feel if the third embassy requirement was edited to this: “iii. The region must not be a sponsor of any hateful ideology and should reflect similar democratic values to those of Londinium, upholding a comparable standard of civil rights to our own.”
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Post by austriahungary on Jan 8, 2018 15:18:54 GMT
How would MP's feel if the third embassy requirement was edited to this: “iii. The region must not be a sponsor of any hateful ideology and should reflect similar democratic values to those of Londinium, upholding a comparable standard of civil rights to our own.”
Well the term: "compareable" is again very subjective and unless this does not change i will have to agree with GE and ponthustan here , this Needs fixin!
i give another Chance , otherwise ist a nea.
(i still appreaciate the work that went into this bill)
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 15:38:49 GMT
Surely, though, somewhat subjective requirements is better than no requirements?
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 15:46:04 GMT
Making it much less subjective would be to make it more specific and, thus, restrictive. The disagreements we have had prove that "hateful" is a subjective term.
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Post by germanempire on Jan 8, 2018 15:51:48 GMT
So to mitigate this we need another way to keep good and evil apart, and evil most certainly away from us.It is important to have a Minimum of what a Region has to do to accuire an embassy , since we want to be an honest Region that respects human rights and does not compromise around it.
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 16:18:46 GMT
So to mitigate this we need another way to keep good and evil apart, and evil most certainly away from us.It is important to have a Minimum of what a Region has to do to accuire an embassy , since we want to be an honest Region that respects human rights and does not compromise around it. "Evil" is also an incredibly subjective term. We have already presented in this act a clear standard of what a region has to do to be considered for an embassy. In no way does this compromise "basic human rights" (which are in-game rights really). A key principle of Democracy is human rights, so they are covered by that.
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Post by germanempire on Jan 8, 2018 16:36:00 GMT
Evil is the lack of human rights (which matter very much, otherwise they would not be outlined in our constitution)and therefor we shall not conspire or have diplomatic Relations with Regions mistreating or simply not abiding by this minimal Standard we have.It should be beneath us to consider embassies with regions not interested in the well being of their citizen.
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 17:31:01 GMT
Conservative Optimism Organisation, Kaisertum Ossterreich, The Republic of Russia and Kaiserreich are all regions that you constructed embassies with while Chief Diplomat. Their human rights are most certainly debateable. The WFE of COO says "Promoting conservative values across NationStates and destroying those who oppose", plus their founder is the only RO.
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Post by Tiberius Cecil on Jan 8, 2018 19:32:15 GMT
Foreign policy is not meant to be subjective though. I think it's best not to put a specific ideology in because if we did then invariably there might be circumstance where there will be one that isn't listed or there will be a region that falls into so much of a grey area that putting it into some strict category will just be harder on the elected government.
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 20:09:27 GMT
GE and I have negotiated, so if we have: "iii. The region must not be a sponsor of any hateful ideology, including, but not limited to, fascism, Nazism and authoritarian communism, and should reflect similar values to our own, upholding a comparable standard of civil rights to our own." would everyone be happy?
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Post by Tiberius Cecil on Jan 8, 2018 20:33:59 GMT
I think that is satisfactory
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Post by germanempire on Jan 9, 2018 6:35:59 GMT
Yes I am satisfied now
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