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Post by germanempire on Jan 7, 2018 12:14:17 GMT
I still say that communism is a hateful ideology , and amending should not hurt , right ?
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 7, 2018 12:20:03 GMT
I still say that communism is a hateful ideology , and amending should not hurt , right ? Bear in mind that this is simply qualifying criteria for an embassy to be considered. The phrase “any hateful ideology” should be sufficient for us to judge. And as I said not all communists are hateful, but please don’t expect that this means we’re going to make an embassy with any stalinist regions.
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Post by Tiberius Cecil on Jan 7, 2018 14:34:41 GMT
Alright. I move to put the bill to a vote.
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Post by Nyelant on Jan 7, 2018 16:50:43 GMT
I second this motion.
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Post by germanempire on Jan 7, 2018 17:46:21 GMT
Nea
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Post by Nyelant on Jan 7, 2018 20:03:57 GMT
Yea.
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Post by Tiberius Cecil on Jan 7, 2018 22:34:08 GMT
Yea
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Post by pontustan on Jan 7, 2018 22:59:16 GMT
Nea
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 7, 2018 23:49:16 GMT
Would MP’s please be advised that the options when casting a vote are “yea”, “nay”, or “abstain”. “Nea” is not recognised as an official response, however in this instance only they shall be allowed and counted as votes against. May I ask why the honourable MP’s pontustan and germanempire thought it wise to vote against the bill? If GE’s argument for a provision being specifically added preventing us from considering embassies with communism-supporting regions was that they are hateful, then - saying that was truly the case - it would be covered by the phrase “hateful ideology”.
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Post by germanempire on Jan 8, 2018 6:23:42 GMT
I will gladly explain my reasoning,which is about my previous statement that I find the topic "hateful ideology" not explained and Limited in the presented Bill. To have our opinion on what is a "hateful ideology" depend on just this little words that can be interpreted by the one exepting or dening the way they wish. I would say if the Bill is amended with the explanation that fascism , nazism AND communism/Marxism are non-nagotiable embassies requirements not met. Also i would amend the justice departments option to Veto embassies based on such claims of "hateful ideologys" IF proven right. We dont want to find ourselfes constructing embassies with undesireables, now would we? In the end we find ourselfes shoulder to shoulder with antifa and/or worse.
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Post by Tiberius Cecil on Jan 8, 2018 6:29:29 GMT
The Justice department isn't mentioned in the Bill.
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 8:44:31 GMT
These are only requirements for consideration - embassies are not guaranteed based on this criteria. A request for an embassy for a region considered “undesirable” by the PM or Chief Diplomat can be simply turned down. Everyone’s perspective on “undesirable” will be different, though and since it seemed that we had others in agreement that communism/Marxism is not a hateful ideology (not always) I do not believe it needs specifically added to this bill. The current “hateful ideologies” is sufficient as we can surely recognise hate when we see it? I think that it is mostly for a disagreement or regime on your part against communism. We shouldn’t be restricting ourselves too much in the future.
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Post by germanempire on Jan 8, 2018 13:57:17 GMT
I would then plead for either an additional amending of this Bill or the altering of "hateful ideology" to "undesireable ideology" to include communism and thus recognising the immense suffering and Destruction this ideology brought everywhere it is or has been. There is no Account of a significant nation that followed this ideology and was something this region would define as desireable. This ideology alone , and its followers have a higher death count then nazim together. It would be a huge shame for our regional justice and democracy to have diplomatic Relations with such evil minded regions that practice it.
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 14:05:38 GMT
All of this is subject to the judgement of the PM and Chief Diplomat though, which is why it is unnecessary. In fact "undesirable ideology" is even more subjective than just "hateful".
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 8, 2018 14:18:17 GMT
What if we say they should “reflect similair values to us”?
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