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Post by Lady Cari on Jan 26, 2019 0:53:44 GMT
People of Londinium, I once again find the crown on my head due to the disappearance of our High King. And now is as good a time as ever to address the state of the Monarchy.
Since the last time Fortwhile revived his nation, I have been reflecting on how much he has contributed to the region in recent months, even when his nation has been alive. And I want us to ask ourselves, is restoring Fort's title every time he dies and comes back in our best interest?
Unlike some regions, the Founder role in Londinium is not wholly separate from the government. It carries IC power as well as OOC power. Even if the High King lets the Senate operate mostly autonomously, having the man in charge be absent helps neither our community nor our public reputation.
I was hoping to have even a few more weeks before this became pressing, but here we are. Is this a coup? Not yet. But I am calling on the people of Londinium to discuss a solution to our recurring founder/king crisis.
After I have heard some of your thoughts on the problem, I may present some solutions. But I want any changes to be above board, even if they have to be unilateral.
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Post by Sopo on Jan 26, 2019 4:58:14 GMT
Considering he's active elsewhere in NS, I think it's clear he just doesn't really care about his responsibilities here. I love the guy, but let's coup.
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Post by Fortwhile on Jan 26, 2019 6:13:06 GMT
Last August I was prepared to step down, but I was asked to stay on.
I can accept that things have only gotten worse since then, and am willing to pass on the throne to someone you can really help this region attain its full potential if that someone has the people’s confidence.
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Post by germanempire on Jan 26, 2019 8:46:11 GMT
What an interesting development, I am not sure how to feel about this. Since I am unable to properly know about the monarchs (in)-activity, because I was gone for some time, I will abstain from judging it.
Something that might be more or less important to this, is perhaps not the confidence of other citizens in one other specific person to lead them, but the confidence in the Monarch itself. A vote could possibly change the unclearity through empirical data.
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Post by Sukberia on Jan 26, 2019 14:13:44 GMT
Elective Monarchy when?
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 26, 2019 15:28:28 GMT
After hearing from Sopo about Fort’s activity and commitment elsewhere I think it will be for the best. It is understandable, but clearly not in the interests of Londinium. Although we are obviously grateful for his building this community and previous work (which deserves celebration), we just can’t continue under these conditions; we need an at least relatively active monarch. It isn’t an easy thing to say, but Fortwhile needs to do the right thing & abdicate in favour of his chosen successor, Lady Cari. I’m not saying he must leave Londinium outright - I would hate that - and I must make clear that he is valued and respected should he seek to maintain a presence here as rightful part of the royalty.
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Post by Nesearan on Jan 26, 2019 22:19:36 GMT
While I hate to say it, but I think that it's for the best that Cari take the throne here, I'd prefere to maybe make the monarch a less important figure in politics and keep his position to just be an honorary title, but Fort's nation still dying doesn't look good for us internationaly (interregionaly?) so I think that abdication and replacement with LC would be best. Although Fort should still get an honorary title as ex-monarch (not my job to find the title name though).
Also, if this is a coup, we should name Larry Imperator and not High King, for obvious reasons.
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Post by United Barbaros on Jan 26, 2019 23:27:10 GMT
If Fort's nation continues to CTE, I don't think we have much other option than to have Fortwhile abdicate now. Frankly, it's too dangerous a situation for Londinium.
I like you Fort, I think we all do. However, it wasn't comforting to see you say last time your nation CTEd that you were hoping someone would coup. I also found it to be somewhat irresponsible and inconsiderate, considering that it seems you knew about the situation, and kept it going, even when we could have been raided each day we waited for your return. I don't appreciate that we were put in that situation, and I don't want to find us in that kind of a situation again.
One a slightly separate note, as Cari would usurp the throne after Fortwhile, I would like to request that Cari confirm a heir upon officially taking over the monarchy.
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Post by Bymaria on Jan 26, 2019 23:39:21 GMT
While I hate to say it, but I think that it's for the best that Cari take the throne here, I'd prefere to maybe make the monarch a less important figure in politics and keep his position to just be an honorary title, but Fort's nation still dying doesn't look good for us internationaly (interregionaly?) so I think that abdication and replacement with LC would be best. Although Fort should still get an honorary title as ex-monarch (not my job to find the title name though). Also, if this is a coup, we should name Larry Imperator and not High King, for obvious reasons. Surely he can keep “High King” — Idk if this is convenional tho’ in monarchies. In the same way a former PM can be addressed “Prime Minister” for life as well as during their tenure he should be able to retain this title — although I can see there’s a case that there might be confusion or complications arising. If not, maybe use: Fortwhile I, HRM Fortwhile, Prima Regem (First King, but in latin because Romanness)
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Post by Lady Cari on Jan 27, 2019 20:22:44 GMT
Thank you for your understanding, Fort, and thanks to everyone else for their take on the situation and their vote of confidence in me.
Nes, assuming I do wind up taking the throne, I will be re-evaluating the position of the High King itself and will take your comments here regarding its role into account.
Barb, among the things I was hoping to fix in the Monarchy was the legal ambiguity regarding succession. I would likely name an heir after talking with a few candidates and coming to a conclusion, then formalize the position again shortly thereafter.
Nes/Bym, for Fort's title I would recommend "Rex Emeritus".
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Post by Lady Cari on Jan 30, 2019 13:18:42 GMT
Does anyone have any further comments?
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