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Post by United Barbaros on Feb 26, 2018 19:16:18 GMT
Leo as German already mentioned, we have a constitution. Would you be able to instead write a bill/bills with your ideas that we can implement into our constitution?
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Post by Fortwhile on Feb 26, 2018 20:03:05 GMT
Leo as German already mentioned, we have a constitution. Would you be able to instead write a bill/bills with your ideas that we can implement into our constitution? To be fair, the extent of some of these ideas might require a new constitution anyway.
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Post by Bymaria on Feb 26, 2018 20:12:36 GMT
www.nationstates.net/nation=bymaria/detail=factbook/id=979990I wrote an updated and modified version of the constitution, to suit our electoral system and other minor changes, some necessary. 😛
btw, I’m still unsure of this, as previously there’s not been enough MPs to fill seats overall, let alone from a single party. Maybe we could adopt these constitutions for a trial period to see how they work?
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Post by Fortwhile on Feb 26, 2018 20:19:13 GMT
www.nationstates.net/nation=bymaria/detail=factbook/id=979990I wrote an updated and modified version of the constitution, to suit our electoral system and other minor changes, some necessary. 😛
btw, I’m still unsure of this, as previously there’s not been enough MPs to fill seats overall, let alone from a single party. Maybe we could adopt these constitutions for a trial period to see how they work? I've actually been toying with the idea of electing 3 MPs instead of 5 to start, though that would make the number of parties who could win seats kinda limited.
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Post by Bymaria on Feb 26, 2018 20:35:55 GMT
And I’m not sure how the Prime Minister would be chosen if we went according to that system. I personally still believe in separate elections, based on individual candidates, but I’ll try to help out with whatever our general consensus turns out to be.
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Post by United Barbaros on Feb 26, 2018 21:39:11 GMT
We could have party elections, where party members elect who will win the party nomination for a position.
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Post by Nyelant on Feb 26, 2018 22:31:28 GMT
I think it could be something where MPs and the PM are tied together, but not explicitly. As in: we all vote for a party come election time. The seats in Parliament are allocated proportionally. The party with the most votes (not necessarily the most seats, because of ties) has their leader chosen as PM.
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Post by Sopo on Feb 27, 2018 0:50:06 GMT
I would be more interested in pursuing the change to proportional representation than adding a state religion.
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Post by Lady Cari on Feb 27, 2018 1:58:33 GMT
In Eg. 7 you mention a Grand Moff. Can you clarify this role and lease b TGO is taking over Londinium confirmed. I would be more interested in pursuing the change to proportional representation than adding a state religion. Agreed. Bymaria I like what you've done with the Constitution, but the language needs some touching up. I'll try to look at it in the next couple days, unless southernaurgediam beats me to it. >.>
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Post by Bymaria on Feb 27, 2018 8:00:41 GMT
Yeah I notice a few issues that need fixing. I think it doesn’t leave too much flexibility regarding party leaders and coalitions - I made it such that the party leader is the one to become PM if there is a majority and the party leader of the largest party in the case of a coalition. That should be changed. Maybe it’s because I wrote it late on a Monday evening. Idk We could have party elections, where party members elect who will win the party nomination for a position. United Barbaros I quite like this idea. We could have shadow cabinet ministers for other parties that don’t get elected. Even party elections on who will hold each ministry.
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Post by Bymaria on Feb 27, 2018 22:44:44 GMT
Leo btw I like the thought of creating a regional culture, through I don’t know if religion is the way to go. Not for me anyway.
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Post by germanempire on Feb 28, 2018 14:53:48 GMT
I have noticed that there is a bit of confusion on how the System i proposed is supposed to work.
I will lay out the steps a bit more precisely:
-there will be an election where every citizen can vote for a party.
-All partys that pass the 5% of all votes given (100 votes ->they get >5 votes) are permitted to enter the Senate , Parliament or what ever we are going to call it (in Germany we call it Bundestag in case you want to Google it)
-in this Senate (ill call it that from now on but the name is pretty irrelevant) all parties permitted to enter will get seats according to the percentage of all votes given (100 votes -> party "x" = 27 = 27 % = 27 seats (if there is a shortage of party members which is likely in this stage of our regions population the seats can be scaled down in relation so that the percentage is the same but there are less seats (number of seats is irrelevant , the percentage is important))
-then the parties are then tasked to vote for a Primeminister. All possible votes in this Senate are considered 100% and potentialy everybody can be primeminister but obviously the parties with the biggest amount of seats has the biggest threshhold of voting potential and can vote for themselfes (the party candidate). If there is no party with more then or at least 50% of votes a coalition can be formed with a smaller one to get the votes from them as well and vote together for the bigger parties candidate. The smaller party will then be integrated in the government building of the bigger one. (The winning party candidate (primeminister) is then tasked to assign Ministeries to his party members (and to the helping coalition party (this will be determined in the so called coalition contract they will set up before and what Ministery goes to what party) (fun fact Germany is still without a government since the last election because they cannot deside))
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Post by germanempire on Feb 28, 2018 15:07:37 GMT
I forgot the remaining parties role after either the biggest party or a coalition made a government. They will be the opposition and will be takes with questioning the governments actions on if they are reasonable , Constitutional or hurting the region (if one of those things are happening they can sue the party/ government and appeal to the regions justice department) For that it is important that the justices have no party affiliation or are biast (otherwise it is not a splitting of the 3 forces (judicative, legislative and executive).
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Post by Fortwhile on Mar 12, 2018 4:10:14 GMT
I feel like we mostly have an agreement here. Let me lay out a framework of what I'm thinking - also taking points from the regional culture thread - and see if it makes sense to draft a new Constitution:
- Retain a monarch, perhaps rename the title to "Emperor" to suit Rome? Or just keep it as King, as there were Roman Kings as well early o. - Have a Head of Government (titled Consul) who is the leader of the party that gets the most votes in the election. Might be worth calling parties "factions" just for thematic sake? - Use a proportional system to elect legislators (called Senators?) who write the laws on the region and put a check on the executive. - Maybe also rename our Minister positions to Roman titles?
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Post by hromos on Mar 12, 2018 5:23:13 GMT
Any reason we're dipping into Rome?
For the culture we could do it by a basic geographical theme--doesn't even have to be tied to a specific map, just general labels that we can attach cultural themes to (for example, Northerners/Southerners/Westerners/etc, or Seafaring/Landlubbers, that kind of thing). A given country could even have more than one geographical label assigned.
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