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Post by Lady Cari on Feb 19, 2018 22:37:57 GMT
Nations of the Assembly, I come before you today to seek your advice in destroying my own creation. By which I mean I am considering scrapping the "residency equals citizenship" experiment in the Constitution.
First off, the system as-is is incredibly susceptible to fraud. Secondly, this means that a nation that contributes nothing to the region and ignores everything that happens has a constitutionally guaranteed vote that is equal to yours. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, requiring offsite forum use gives a massive layer of security; not only can we detect citizenship fraud, but we can far more easily identify troublemakers from other regions who may want to take down the government. As it stands right now, if I'm not mistaken, only the MPs are required to be on the forum.
My current plan is to leave citizenship processing to the Monarchy, PM, and the Ministry of Population. There are a hundred citizenship forms around NS we can use for a model, almost all of which are extremely similar.
To implement this system, I intend to first draft a citizenship act, with input from others, which will codify the citizenship process. Then, before fully presenting it to the Assembly, I would write a constitutional amendment that would separate residency and citizenship before the law, transferring most of the rights to formal citizens. With the potential constitutional contradiction out of the way, the citizenship act would go to vote immediately afterwards.
Spitballing over, unleash your criticisms.
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Post by Fortwhile on Feb 21, 2018 5:41:25 GMT
I agree with this 100%. I think we need a formal system to recognize citizens
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Post by Bymaria on Mar 3, 2018 16:14:39 GMT
A little late, but I would support a citizenship process, as long as its accessible and simple.
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Post by Nyelant on Mar 3, 2018 17:25:33 GMT
I've probably said this a couple times, but I don't especially like a citizenship system. Why can't residents be the same thing as citizens? Right now, the last thing we need is another step that might deter a resident from voting on anything. Being a citizen (on the forum) didn't stop someone from starting a coup, so I say at this point, it does more harm than good.
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Post by germanempire on Mar 6, 2018 6:30:27 GMT
Even though a bit late I assume , I totaly agree with Mister Cari. I too see the evil of uncontrolled immigration from unproven and maybe dangerous nations to this region. If it involved some security Checks I am all up for it.
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Post by United Barbaros on Mar 7, 2018 0:01:12 GMT
Perhaps we could have some kind of middle ground: a light citizenship process.
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Post by Nyelant on Mar 7, 2018 2:17:15 GMT
Perhaps we could have some kind of middle ground: a light citizenship process. I'm interested. What would that entail?
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Post by United Barbaros on Mar 9, 2018 18:47:58 GMT
Nyelant I was thinking of something along the lines of a one step process. Maybe they apply for citizenship and are immediately accepted, unless we know they're trouble. Kinda like joining the WA.
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Post by United Barbaros on Mar 9, 2018 18:49:12 GMT
Simple and non-tedious, and the satisfaction of doing something extra to be a citizen, but without too much hassle.
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Post by Sopo on Mar 10, 2018 21:33:10 GMT
While the current openness is nice, it seems like it could be easily abused. Some minimal protocol to gain citizenship would prevent things like impersonation and voter fraud.
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Post by hromos on Mar 12, 2018 3:41:20 GMT
As one who considers themselves a citizen, who has not held a position (and is not planning on it anytime in the near future), I would like Cari's statement of "contributing nothing" to be clarified. What are considering to be a "contribution" or "nothing"?
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Post by hromos on Mar 12, 2018 4:03:42 GMT
I'm also assuming that, if we're separating residents and citizens, we may need to keep track of any changes in status (i.e. from resident to citizen or vice versa). It may be a good idea to decide who (i.e. a new position? An MP?) is going to keep track of this.
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Post by Fortwhile on Mar 12, 2018 4:05:38 GMT
I'm also assuming that, if we're separating residents and citizens, we may need to keep track of any changes in status (i.e. from resident to citizen or vice versa). It may be a good idea to decide who (i.e. a new position? An MP?) is going to keep track of this. I agree. I imagine either the Minister of Population or Minister of Development would be in charge - but maybe others disagree?
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Post by Lady Cari on Mar 12, 2018 17:46:57 GMT
As one who considers themselves a citizen, who has not held a position (and is not planning on it anytime in the near future), I would like Cari's statement of "contributing nothing" to be clarified. What are considering to be a "contribution" or "nothing"? You keep on top of regional politics for the most part; you're fine. By "contributing nothing" I was referring to the kind of player who moves their nation into the region, logs in once a week to answer issues, and almost completely ignores the region and its community. Not that I haven't been known to do that myself. >.>
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Post by hromos on Mar 13, 2018 4:13:35 GMT
*whew*
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