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Post by Bymaria on Mar 4, 2018 16:17:21 GMT
Citizens of Londinium, It is with great regret that today I announce the removal of germanempire from the office of Deputy Prime Minister, after coming to the conclusion that he has done nothing but hinder my agenda and delayed our progress. The former DPM tried to block or delay some landmark successes of my administration (the Executive Action Amendment and our advanced Foreign Policy for one) and now refuses to obey the law. Furthermore, the other successes of my time in office (The Royal Law Library, many of our new Embassies, the recruitment campaign) are no thanks to them. German Empire have shown possessiveness regarding our Roleplay which we have all made great by working together, saying “it is made by us [himself and Nesearan], you and the rest of the region didn’t do sheit for it”. Now he has (childishly) tried to undermine my authority as a Head if Roleplay, deleting the channels I made about the RP Council as well as taking away admin power on the server. This behaviour won’t be tolerated. His choice now to defy the Roleplay Council Law and unfoundedly accuse me of abuse of power leaves me no choice but to ask him to vacate the office of Deputy Prime Minister. There are some clear political differences, so frankly it would be foolish to allow them to remain a part of my Cabinet. If Fortwhile could remove the maskings and RO powers from GE associated with the position it would be much appreciated. Being so close to the next elections, I will not bother to choose a replacement. Sincerely, Your Prime Minister Bymaria
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Post by germanempire on Mar 4, 2018 16:35:58 GMT
If this ^ wouldnt be Spiked with lies, that would be great!
I have neither defied the law (not through action) and neither have I deleted any channels nor did I remove any admin powers. I find your lies disgustingly irritating and have to ask myself if that was the plan all along . . .
This Desicion is sadly showing how non government discussion leads to such childish consequences if bymaria is in Power. I did nothing wrong and have made no action against the law. I will admit that I am aginst it but that does not make me a criminal , now does it. And the propagated "possesiveness" of me regarding a thing I Co-own borders at insanity, since I only want the Best for the roleplay community Nesearan and I are helping to grow. I might add at this point that the Primeminister in question did nothing for the roleplay he wants to control and Shows real possiveness towards thing he neither understands as he had clearly Shown in the past of his roleplay carrier nor regarts as important enough to discuss about proposals made by the heads of roleplay (HoRP).
Also Do I want to completly disagree with the lies he further more propagated about me that :
(A) I blockated any of the bills he mentioned
And
(B) that I did not do my Job as it would be expected from me. I was , as Deputy primeminister, tasked with awaiting the Moment when I would have to take over for the current primeminister in a Situation that would hinder him from forfilling his job , which never accoured. Thus I had no chance to do the Job the Deputy Primeminister is tasked with.
It is sad to see that such a respected member of our regions population has fallen so deep and used lies and deception to further his harmfull agenda.
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Post by Bymaria on Mar 4, 2018 16:51:15 GMT
You threatened to remove my powers and delete the channels. I recall you saying “I can do it now” and “you should not have power here. I’ll have to change that”. Maybe you couldn’t commit to it. Additionally, you have said you “reject” the EO and will not comply with it. That’s disobeying the law.
You cast a vote against my foreign policy, blocking it until we added a clause banning embassies with communist regions. You voted against the Executive Action Amendment in Parliament.
You took the Mentor Program “under your wing” off of Kingdom of Union who planned it and have done nothing to further it since.
With the frivolous charges against me that you’ve claimed to have cooked up, you’re really one to talk.
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Post by Bymaria on Mar 4, 2018 16:52:12 GMT
The EO creates a Roleplay Council and Elections for future HoR’s. I fail to see how that is me “controlling” the RP.
You seem to think you have supremacy over the judiciary, who have already passed this, to declare it invalid and not abide by it.
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Post by Bymaria on Mar 4, 2018 17:04:04 GMT
There may be no requirements for the job, but it is a position of honour and to keep you there would be to say I would be happy to see you succeed me, which isn’t the case.
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Post by germanempire on Mar 4, 2018 17:48:58 GMT
As I said before the entirety of your posts is a big 'nothing-burger'.
Ill follow the childish claims you provided and dismantle them one by one to Show you your lack of Truth in your posts.
Fit of all I said "I could do it right now" meaning that I could strip you of your "powers" in the roleplay Server right now , still I choose not to. Not that I would not see it as right but I follow the law, as I allways do. Also I never "threatned".
To continue, I said that I would not accept the EO as valid and would challenge it in court as soon as I have time to do so. I never said I would not follow alongside it.
Another point is that , yes , I blocked your foreign policy on grounds of banning other hateful Ideologies as Communism. I saw communism wreck my country , I lost family about it. I am deeply sorry that I dont want to have this region to have relations with regions using such a dispicable ideology that cost people from my family their life.
I also did not vote against the Amendment of Executive order ob grounds of fun , but of reason. Read up on it and you might see it.
The "Mentor program" was given to me by Kingdom of Union , die ofcourse you dont know that because everybody with less power must be in the wrong. I took it under my wing , yes, and I have made quite the progress in organising it among being part of the roleplay Heads , being in the Parliament and organising my party. You would have had alot of time to "take it under your wing" but you seem to be too full of yourself as primeminister to do other things.
I want to remember everybody that I had this position as long as I agreed with the Primeminister, as soon as you disagree he will try to silence you based on lies. Remember that to prepare for the election.
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Post by Bymaria on Mar 4, 2018 18:51:41 GMT
You said (about the Executive Order) “we do not accept your EO...it is invalid...”. Well you know what? The judiciary have already ruled that it has passed. You acted as the courts on this and only showed an intention of challenging it properly after I mentioned it. Secondly, you said (about my discord authority) “You should not have any power here...I’ll have to change that”. Trying to argue that you didn’t at least support it or threaten taking away my powers is absurd.
Another thing I need to address is that you’ve said about me “as soon as you disagree he will try to silence you”. This is unbelievably innacurate. Never have I tried to “silence” you. I’ve listened tolerably and responded to your arguments. As I explained, you were removed because I do not see you as a worthy successor or eligible for prestige brought by the position after a whole array of incidents that have unfolded.
Now. You’ve brought up Elections, so inevitably I must respond... Come election time, I will ask the electorate to recognise the success of my administration and the NUP (with the much appreciated help from the Party for Progressives and Imperial Party) and the shortcomings of the NCU. The three other parties have written and passed major pieces of legislation for the region, while the NCU submitted none. You say I take up all my time as PM being “full of myself”? I created and maintain the Royal Law Library. I constructed many embassies along with Nyelant, a fantastic Chief Diplomat. I have created a government seal and contents system. I spent money on a mass recruitment program. I too, have organised a party and am working on a new Roleplay with Nesearan as well as writing articles for the Londinium Post and its website that I made. To say I have time for everything and should do the mentor program myself is simply ludicrous. I did actually end up having to create a thread about discussion on it and am working on an application. Meanwhile there’s no evidence of anything you’ve done about the program, no matter what you claim.
The party leader of this organisation has stated on several occasions his complete disrespect for the democratic process and is not fit for office. GE is not to be trusted for PM, as I hope the other parties will agree by the time campaigns begin. I hereby urge my fellow party leaders to form a United Front against the election of a party (edit: this is mainly their leader who does however control the party) that will only damage Londinium.
You see, it would be a misfortune of unfathomable proportions to put the leader of the NCU in power and would entail major consequences for a region we have worked so hard to build together.
I would, however, ask election discussion to wait for designated campaign time. For now, I’ll patiently await your charges against me.
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Post by germanempire on Mar 4, 2018 19:38:41 GMT
You turn the Words in my mouth while I speak. You totaly neglect that I said all those things privatly and not as an official statement, thus making it not my official Stance and therefore being incorrect. I agree that I said that I think that the EO is invalid but it is law Untill is changed.
I dont have to tell you anything privatly so your claim that I didnt say anything about challenging it properly is somewhat true because you of all people did not need to know.
Anyway, I said that I would have to change your authority, in what way and why I never mentioned so dont try to turn this around and blame me for abusing my power when you did that clearly to force private enterprise to be redistributed to the government.
You say you "listened" , but you didnt! I made multiple proposals and all Arguments ended with you leaving them ans saying "I will go to bed" - but still staying , just not aswering. You neglected all proposed solution until you just forced your will onto the clearly anti-EO community.
As I expected you went on to try to build up a Base for the Next election to Talk down the many accomplishments by the NCU, how typical. Just to name a few:
- building up the roleplay from scratch (Nesearan and me)
- judicative (Barbaros)
-many discussions and changes made by the members in parliament on your flawed bills
-having the Office of Chief Diplomat myself , I made many embassies with who I thought was right , I am active in government both as Minister and MP.
And much more.
Saying that the NCU didnt do as well as other parties is a straight up lie , but we are used to that by now, arent we.
Your newspaper is neglected , your roleplay is flawed and everbody can spend money. And then to make up the lie that I would not respect the "democratic process" is again a straight up lie. I notice you wouldnt say that if you would habe read my proposal even a bit but clearly you ARE to full of your power to not even concider it. Its a tragedy.
I have never said that I would run for Office , but if I would , I would not try to legislate something that is not ones by the government. To stirr up a movement against another party because of a disagreement against its leader due to his views is childish and takes the politics of a single person and not the entire position of the NCU which is a summ of its members. Again a sad try to silence an opposition that disagrees.
The NCU is neither undemocratic and espacialy no threat to the region, I cant count the lies you Produced in this short time. Pretty telling.
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Post by Bymaria on Mar 4, 2018 20:33:08 GMT
You cannot simply dismiss all that I say as “lies”, and honestly such tactics never work.
You’re talking about how being against democracy isn’t your “official stance”, but - additional to private discussion - you stated your distaste for democracy publicly in the Regional Meeting thread, saying “I know I am not the biggest fan of democracy...”.
Must I point out that you begun an election debate? It was inevitable that I responded. I did ask that this wait for designated campaign time too, so saying that it’s me who is the problem is foolish.
You outlined as a success of the NCU as Barbaros’ appointment to the judiciary. I agree that he is a great justice, but I should remind you that he was appointed by me, along with Southern-Aurgediam. During your time as CD, you made Embassies with Regions such as KAISSERREICH and Republic of Russia, which are notorious for their disregard for democracy themselves. Many of those embassies were thankfully closed and replaced as my administration constructs new embassies with places such as The Galactic Order, Caer Sidi, the Kingdom of Great Britain and Conch Kingdom. Your attempts to downplay my entire work is what led me to question your party.
You said...“A sad try to silence and opposition that disagrees” Again: how is this “silencing” you? I’m merely responding.
Next, I think it’s a really selfish position to take that the RP belongs to you and nobody else. Justifying this possessiveness by bringing up “private enterprise” and capitalism makes no sense to me. NS is a game. RP is a game in a game. Everything within the region may be legislated on by the government, unless explicitly stated otherwise by the constitution or another law.
I don’t see the reasons for insulting my newspaper and it’s journalists, or for criticising an RP that hasn’t launched yet - one which both you and Nes have also worked on. My spending money shows commitment, but it was also the work that went into the recruitment campaign and writing telegrams that counts.
In a discussion you can’t expect exactly what you want. After seeing that my initial proposal was met with negative backlash, I wrote a new one, merging everyone’s ideas into something that still works in the best interests of our residents. Therefore saying I haven’t listened is truly ridiculous. I listen and I act based on a regional consensus and on what is best.
This is in bold so that it isn’t missed: it has, and always will be, my intention to improve Londinium for its residents.. I really hope that you’re the only one who thinks I’m “full of myself as Prime Minister”. Everything I have done is for the region.
This is a thread for me announcing your dismissal, not for you to complain about things and have me respond. I’d appreciate it if you didn’t use it as such. Wait for campaign time.
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Post by Lady Cari on Mar 4, 2018 21:40:23 GMT
Y'know, if GE despises Bym's government so much, why is he demanding to serve under him...?
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Post by Nyelant on Mar 5, 2018 2:12:32 GMT
My thoughts exactly. If you don't work well together, then don't. Plain and simple.
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Post by Fortwhile on Mar 5, 2018 2:57:37 GMT
Ultimately, I thought the executive order wasn't super necessary but the response by German Empire was not great, and possibly illegal, and someone wanted to press charges.
I think it's best that GE is no longer in Bymaria's administration.
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Post by germanempire on Mar 5, 2018 12:25:07 GMT
Y'know, if GE despises Bym's government so much, why is he demanding to serve under him...? I dispise the Action that is unrelated to the roleplay Situation and the lies he propagated about me. He takes things out of context , plays down commitment from me and my party and leaves me no other choice if than to respond. If it was just the dismissal due to our disagreement, I wouldnt care as much and would just accept it as it is his Desicion to do what he wants with his Cabinet. But the lies are the things I dont like.
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Post by germanempire on Mar 5, 2018 12:26:38 GMT
Ultimately, I thought the executive order wasn't super necessary but the response by German Empire was not great, and possibly illegal, and someone wanted to press charges. I think it's best that GE is no longer in Bymaria's administration. Words are illegal now? I didnt do anything that was against the law.
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Post by germanempire on Mar 5, 2018 12:30:53 GMT
You cannot simply dismiss all that I say as “lies”, and honestly such tactics never work. You’re talking about how being against democracy isn’t your “official stance”, but - additional to private discussion - you stated your distaste for democracy publicly in the Regional Meeting thread, saying “I know I am not the biggest fan of democracy...”. Must I point out that you begun an election debate? It was inevitable that I responded. I did ask that this wait for designated campaign time too, so saying that it’s me who is the problem is foolish. You outlined as a success of the NCU as Barbaros’ appointment to the judiciary. I agree that he is a great justice, but I should remind you that he was appointed by me, along with Southern-Aurgediam. During your time as CD, you made Embassies with Regions such as KAISSERREICH and Republic of Russia, which are notorious for their disregard for democracy themselves. Many of those embassies were thankfully closed and replaced as my administration constructs new embassies with places such as The Galactic Order, Caer Sidi, the Kingdom of Great Britain and Conch Kingdom. Your attempts to downplay my entire work is what led me to question your party. You said...“A sad try to silence and opposition that disagrees” Again: how is this “silencing” you? I’m merely responding. Next, I think it’s a really selfish position to take that the RP belongs to you and nobody else. Justifying this possessiveness by bringing up “private enterprise” and capitalism makes no sense to me. NS is a game. RP is a game in a game. Everything within the region may be legislated on by the government, unless explicitly stated otherwise by the constitution or another law. I don’t see the reasons for insulting my newspaper and it’s journalists, or for criticising an RP that hasn’t launched yet - one which both you and Nes have also worked on. My spending money shows commitment, but it was also the work that went into the recruitment campaign and writing telegrams that counts. In a discussion you can’t expect exactly what you want. After seeing that my initial proposal was met with negative backlash, I wrote a new one, merging everyone’s ideas into something that still works in the best interests of our residents. Therefore saying I haven’t listened is truly ridiculous. I listen and I act based on a regional consensus and on what is best. This is in bold so that it isn’t missed: it has, and always will be, my intention to improve Londinium for its residents.. I really hope that you’re the only one who thinks I’m “full of myself as Prime Minister”. Everything I have done is for the region.
This is a thread for me announcing your dismissal, not for you to complain about things and have me respond. I’d appreciate it if you didn’t use it as such. Wait for campaign time. You will excuse that I have to respond if you make accusation? If you would stop to respond or make accusation alongside the dismissal that just arent true or taken out of context, I could stop defending myself and this could all be postponed to the election. But as long as this isnt the case i dont see why I should stop clearing up the lies.
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